Comments on: Lie to Me- Season 2, Episode 12 “Sweet Sixteen” http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/ See what you've been missing Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:19:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Humintell Admin http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1536 Humintell Admin Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:13:15 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1536 WC: I like your comment "That’s why websites like this exist. If anything, the show has made it possible for this website to exist and also create this community" and agree wholeheartedly. On one hand, Lie to Me has given a voice to the science and world of nonverbal behavior and exposed people to the idea of microexpressions and such. Without the popularity of the show, many people wouldn't know that science like this even exists. On the other hand, its hard to watch them turn such a unique show into basically another drama. The important thing to understand is that what they show on the show is not 100% accurate and that the writers and producers of the show elaborate and exaggerate a lot of aspects of the science for the sake of drama. It is television and people have to understand to look at it with a critical eye and not take it at such face value. WC: I like your comment “That’s why websites like this exist. If anything, the show has made it possible for this website to exist and also create this community” and agree wholeheartedly. On one hand, Lie to Me has given a voice to the science and world of nonverbal behavior and exposed people to the idea of microexpressions and such. Without the popularity of the show, many people wouldn’t know that science like this even exists. On the other hand, its hard to watch them turn such a unique show into basically another drama. The important thing to understand is that what they show on the show is not 100% accurate and that the writers and producers of the show elaborate and exaggerate a lot of aspects of the science for the sake of drama. It is television and people have to understand to look at it with a critical eye and not take it at such face value.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1534 Andrew Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:32:12 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1534 It does explain in earlier episodes why they show those photos in each episode. For example, when the FBI agent stood there with his hands in front of his crotch, it was explained in and earlier episode in season 1 that people who do that are trying to protect themselves when they are being verbally attacked. However I do agree with you that they oversimplify many elements in the show. It does explain in earlier episodes why they show those photos in each episode. For example, when the FBI agent stood there with his hands in front of his crotch, it was explained in and earlier episode in season 1 that people who do that are trying to protect themselves when they are being verbally attacked. However I do agree with you that they oversimplify many elements in the show.

]]> By: Ian Trudel http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1516 Ian Trudel Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:11:36 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1516 The science and drama/action are not mutually exclusive. There is no reason to exclude the science as the show is doing now. The combination was working before. It doesn't matter whether there is plenty or little research in the field. Many soap operas run on very little concepts: money, love and hate. I am expecting a TV show to be a TV show. TV shows mess up sciences quite often. I simply don't understand why they add other elements while subtracting the science. The drama/action is not especially good either... Ian. The science and drama/action are not mutually exclusive. There is no reason to exclude the science as the show is doing now. The combination was working before.

It doesn’t matter whether there is plenty or little research in the field. Many soap operas run on very little concepts: money, love and hate.

I am expecting a TV show to be a TV show. TV shows mess up sciences quite often. I simply don’t understand why they add other elements while subtracting the science. The drama/action is not especially good either…

Ian.

]]> By: WC http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1512 WC Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:54:52 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1512 Here is a screen shot of what I was talking about: http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4885/fearl.jpg The interaction was between 9 and 10 minutes into the show when they were talking about who was behind the scheme. Later on Lightman also accused her of showing fear. As for all the opinions of the show, I can understand the frustration. It would be cool to see more science but there isn't an infinite amount of research that has been done in this field. That's why websites like this exist. If anything, the show has made it possible for this website to exist and also create this community. Here is a screen shot of what I was talking about:

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4885/fearl.jpg

The interaction was between 9 and 10 minutes into the show when they were talking about who was behind the scheme. Later on Lightman also accused her of showing fear.

As for all the opinions of the show, I can understand the frustration. It would be cool to see more science but there isn’t an infinite amount of research that has been done in this field. That’s why websites like this exist. If anything, the show has made it possible for this website to exist and also create this community.

]]> By: Keith D. http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1510 Keith D. Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:39:32 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1510 On the one hand, this is upsetting to me because they're kind of wrecking a great show. But on the other hand, as you rack up viewers and show them the science as was done in the first season, you wind up creating a world where the average Joe runs around treating you as if you're guilty of something they suspect you of because your nose itched at the wrong time. That may also go into their decision to take the show in a different direction. I'm upset with the dumbing down of the show, but I can also understand that when you have something with such potentially serious repercussions as this science, it might be more responsible to cater to the ignorance of the audience rather than try to change the world in just 42 minutes a week, 13-26 weeks per year while still trying to turn a profit. On the one hand, this is upsetting to me because they’re kind of wrecking a great show.

But on the other hand, as you rack up viewers and show them the science as was done in the first season, you wind up creating a world where the average Joe runs around treating you as if you’re guilty of something they suspect you of because your nose itched at the wrong time. That may also go into their decision to take the show in a different direction.

I’m upset with the dumbing down of the show, but I can also understand that when you have something with such potentially serious repercussions as this science, it might be more responsible to cater to the ignorance of the audience rather than try to change the world in just 42 minutes a week, 13-26 weeks per year while still trying to turn a profit.

]]> By: Humintell Admin http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1509 Humintell Admin Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:05:17 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1509 WC- Good catch! I didn't see that...can you post a clip? Ian- You're right. The show is drifting more and more into a drama instead of educating us. But Lena does have a good point in that its tv and the networks will do what they need to do to get audience rating up. WC- Good catch! I didn’t see that…can you post a clip?

Ian- You’re right. The show is drifting more and more into a drama instead of educating us. But Lena does have a good point in that its tv and the networks will do what they need to do to get audience rating up.

]]> By: lena http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1505 lena Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:53:03 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1505 look, shows like CSI show standard chemical analysis all the time. they portray them as being extremely accurate and all mighty. as a chemist who happens to know the limitations of chemical analysis i can tell you this is often a gross exaggeration. so i suspect the same thing is happening here. i mean there is the science of micro-expressions, and it is good to some extent, but it surely does not work like magic like in the series. it is tv after all. look, shows like CSI show standard chemical analysis all the time. they portray them as being extremely accurate and all mighty. as a chemist who happens to know the limitations of chemical analysis i can tell you this is often a gross exaggeration. so i suspect the same thing is happening here. i mean there is the science of micro-expressions, and it is good to some extent, but it surely does not work like magic like in the series. it is tv after all.

]]> By: Ian Trudel http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1502 Ian Trudel Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:56:27 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1502 The season 2 has more violence and less science. The development of characters are increasingly darker. For example, Dr. Foster was a giggly and happy person in the first season. Loker has so much anger now. What's the odd Loker would be an excellent social psychology researcher and an excellent hacker? It makes no sense. In this episode, there is no respect confidentiality nor state secrets. Foster and Lightman worked at the Pentagon but it seems all right that they openly talk about their work back then. The season 2 is clearly in a different direction from the season 1. The producers have diluted their own concept! It's getting a bit boring even with all the blink blink... Ian. The season 2 has more violence and less science. The development of characters are increasingly darker.

For example, Dr. Foster was a giggly and happy person in the first season. Loker has so much anger now. What’s the odd Loker would be an excellent social psychology researcher and an excellent hacker? It makes no sense.

In this episode, there is no respect confidentiality nor state secrets. Foster and Lightman worked at the Pentagon but it seems all right that they openly talk about their work back then.

The season 2 is clearly in a different direction from the season 1. The producers have diluted their own concept! It’s getting a bit boring even with all the blink blink…

Ian.

]]> By: WC http://www.humintell.com/2010/06/lie-to-me-season-2-episode-12-sweet-sixteen/comment-page-1/#comment-1500 WC Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:01:01 +0000 http://www.humintell.com/?p=2801#comment-1500 I liked the fear in the neck of Foster! It looked just like the fear presented in the introduction of the show with the music. I liked the fear in the neck of Foster! It looked just like the fear presented in the introduction of the show with the music.

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